It's not my problem God

 You say it's not your problem, but I bet it is 

You may well find what follows confusing because I will assume, unlike many others that our Creator is involved and our denial of our need to properly relate to Him/Her is at the core of solving human dilemmas. 

I am seeking common ground to start with ---

Do we not agree that we both think we put science first ?  I will agree to that 
What about the science of the human mind . I am a, for simplicity , going to stick with Jung. 

Objectivity about what happens in our minds 
One of the ways to get objectivity about our ability to influence change ( power ) is for us to say that we do not have any. That way, if we are genuine about changing the situation ( and not just making nice noises about it ) we start without any preconceived ideas about what we can or should do about something . 

Jung will tell you the only problem is to do with human nature! so lets see if we are avoiding or facing the real problem.

Take the case that we are exploiting fossil fuels at a rate that will not leave much for our children .The problem is greed .  So let's see if we are solving that . 


Do any of the current suggestions about what we should do about that make any sense to you ? Whose problem what problem? 
A question for you -- if you think thinking matters  . Is there confusion about what governments are trying to do or not ? 
Somehow the thinking has moved from the ACTUAL issue of Greed above to doing something about the invisible thing called the ATMOSPHERE

Whose problem is it then ? 
Lets go back to Net zero ideas. ( believe me the definition will change and so will the direction of mis investment)      Its not clear to me that the connection . political objective or the solution makes sense . 
 
Any decent physicist will tell you there will be no problem solving while we mistarget the problem - Tell me we as a society are not rebadging the problem , not to focus on  fuel use ,  but the effects of burning fuel  ie C02.  Its so confusing that its intellectually unsustainable ,20yrs of unresolved argument. 
The physicist's say the connection is not clear
Any decent thinking person will then tell you that any solutions invested in that doesn't deal directly with the real problem will fail. Obvious enough 

Thank God it's not your problem , or is it? 
Are you facing up to the purely human problem as Jung is asking us to ? 
Jung will tell you the only problem is to do with human nature!
and you won' t solve anything if you don't face that ,
If he is right the problemis  therefore not primarily a technical problem but one of changing human behavior. 

You THEN say governments must be tyrannical in this ? 
That makes you a tyrant . Even God isn't a tyrant 

Sounds like You have a problem . It even sounds like you think its your job to play god . 
I wonder what Jung would say about that ? 

So you want to change my behavior?   good luck   

Any God botherer will tell you that it's really weird and irrational when people who don't believe in God ,or  try to please god then try to be god in changing the atmosphere .
I thought you thought we humans were mere puppets ,? 
Why should any of us act responsibly - too whom .such ideas are very esoteric !
Where did you get the idea that we are responsible for stopping greed,  let alone could do it? 

You have the problem intellectually 
Maybe ? 

I get it-- worrying about CO2 means we don't have to solve the real problem we can't solve - greed????


Many have solved the problem by placing it in a category where it no longer annoys them????? 
 


This is to be continued 
Forgive the interrupted dialogue,
I have presumed a lot about what YOU think ..tell me more .......and straighten me out.